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Tim Dunton

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Re: Charleston Race Week 2013
« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2013, 10:32:51 AM »
Hey Keith
Any room for 145 Escape Velocity from Texas?

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Re: Charleston Race Week 2013
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2013, 03:14:42 PM »
As of now we have 2 u20's, 3 melgi 20, 1 melgi 24 and a tarten 10. We will have to see how the other original guys feel about rafting. Can't promise anything at this time. Leaving my cell so you may contact me if your still scrambling.

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Tim Dunton

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Re: Charleston Race Week 2013
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2013, 12:59:41 AM »
Thx Keith
When You guys getting in?

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Re: Charleston Race Week 2013
« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2013, 08:38:54 PM »
Did somebody lose a mast? I see a lot of dnc in the results.
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Re: Charleston Race Week 2013
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2013, 03:08:27 PM »
Did somebody lose a mast? I see a lot of dnc in the results.

I saw Sailing Anarchy reported a Melges 20 and a U20 lost rigs.

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Re: Charleston Race Week 2013
« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2013, 01:35:58 PM »
Yes Chris lost the mast on Don's boat before the regatta began. Can I say one thing. VANG!!!!!!!!!off when going down wind. Also Bob Hughes from the Heartbreaker on an M20.

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Re: Charleston Race Week 2013
« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2013, 04:02:00 PM »
Would like to hear Chris' account?  This was an aluminum rig correct?  Not one of the early (i.e. better) ones either I presume.  Everyone knows you have to take the vang off, but it is easy to space out if you sail in 12kts or less (in those conditions it is not great for the rig but it won't really hurt anything either).  Did they think it was off all the way and find out it wasn't?  Did they just space out?

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Re: Charleston Race Week 2013
« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2013, 04:05:49 PM »
I sail with a lot of vang on it big breeze, I just don't ease the mainsheet and sail really deep.

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Re: Charleston Race Week 2013
« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2013, 05:31:26 PM »
Yes Chris lost the mast on Don's boat before the regatta began. Can I say one thing. VANG!!!!!!!!!off when going down wind. Also Bob Hughes from the Heartbreaker on an M20.
Hey Keith
Good sailing against you this weekend. Great Job on Day 2. What happened to you guys the first day?

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Re: Charleston Race Week 2013
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2013, 06:57:18 PM »
  I'm not saying Chris had the vang on and will hope to hear what happened from the horses mouth. In big breeze my wifes only job down wind is to baby sit the vang to go as hard as we can without wiping out.
 My issue on the first day was cunningham shackle let go just after the start in race one, so we lost the jib halyard. Went back to the harbor where my monkey boy free climbed the mast to run a new tracer line. Just missed the start of race two and had my own physical issues where we were not able to finish race three.
  To cap off the weekend when I was parked waiting for the boat to arrive to take it out a J70 trailer took off the front end of my Tahoe. Were at 2600$ so far. The fitting thing was driving through Tenn and Kentuckey with my duct taped front end.

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Re: Charleston Race Week 2013
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2013, 10:01:05 PM »
Hi Everyone ~

First off, congratulations to everyone who came and competed!  It was tough that we had all the breakdowns,  but still, nice work BJ and Emily - your turned in a great score card!!  And a big thanks goes to Don Corey who went so far above just letting us use a his boat - nothing but a top-shelf, first class individual here as many of you already know.


Here is my recap of the event at CRW.  Winds they were certainly strong breezes and the slow filling puffs were passing through, building strongly about 20-30 yards in from the front edge.  But they were not of the consistent strength that we have sailed in many times before.  Rig we had the heavy air settings from the tuning guide and had commented to each other that going to weather, the leeward uppers were a touch slack and dancing a little, and the lowers were taut (same on both tacks).  Weight 585lbs, all in mid cockpit area starting to move further back.  We are on a port tack, running on a full plane and the puff hits.  The water is relatively flat, since our circle was well protected by a barrier island.  The main is out probably with the boom halfway between the lifeline and the shrouds (Brad Boston mentioned later that he would not let the boom out past the lifeline) sheet in hand and the traveler down.  I could feel the boat start to load up with a heel and a small bit of stall on the rudder, at the front edge of the puff so I called out I was heading down anticipating that second puff in the puff.  The vang was on but only snug and we had that control line in hand as well.  When that second pressure hits, it went quick.  I was still driving to a deeper run, no water over the bow, no wild round up and down she goes.  Broke about 5.5 feet off the deck and quite a bit above the normal spot by the halyard exit that have been associated with vang related breaks(?).  Someone made the reference that exposure to the repeated flexing over the years may have contributed to creating a weak spot.

This was shaping up to be a killer weekend - hope to come back next spring!!

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Re: Charleston Race Week 2013
« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2013, 04:26:29 AM »
Wow!  That doesn't instill confidence in the tin rig.

Keith, our boat (222) had the same shackle failure in a 15 knot breeze last fall.  Replaced with a small snap shackle.


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Re: Charleston Race Week 2013
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2013, 10:01:46 PM »
Well, keep in mind that there were several Melges 20 carbon sticks that went about the same time and that the rest of the 200 or so boats in the harbor did just fine.  You can see from the Ft. Sumter wind data, the puff that is most likely the culprit.  I think we were just in the wrong place at the right time.

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Re: Charleston Race Week 2013
« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2013, 06:57:46 PM »
Interesting turn of events.  Thought I understood it happened at a turn down or jibe (which is when we take the vang off and then add the vang back once we are up to speed and can control the position of draft forward).  It sounds like you were just rolling downwind full speed and got clobbered.  In hindsight, I think we have run with the boom out too far several times in breeze and will keep Brad's advice in mind in the future.

Have a question for Tac - how hard do you have the vang on when you jibe in big breeze?  We ease it until we are powered up again on the new jibe.  I have always been told to take if off during the jibe to prevent overloading it when the main jibes over and loads up.

Another thought/question for big breeze:

I watched a youtube video with Blue Moon (top Melges 24 boat - Italian team maybe?) going in 30kt plus and they kept there jib up to blanket the chute a little bit.  We have played with this technique in 18-20kts a couple times and it seemed to give us good speed but at those wind speeds virtually eliminated any white knuckle effect.  I would imagine in 25kts it would still be white knuckle but maybe not quite as much so.  Anybody else tried this technique?  It obviously adds some tension on the forestay but that did not do anything weird to the mast that I saw.

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Re: Charleston Race Week 2013
« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2013, 12:01:45 AM »
We will let it off of few inches in the turn down at the top mark, then never touch it again.