U20 Class Member's Forum
General Category => U20 Regattas - Where, When & Who's Going! => Topic started by: goliadranger on November 06, 2012, 10:00:57 PM
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Is it too early to ask? Who's in? Will we get 5 to make a class in 2013?
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April 18-21, 2013 for those that are interested in the dates. Make your plans now!
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Here's two more...
Sassy's in.
Jim Ultowski has dibs on Scissors.
steve
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#25 'fore' will be there sailing with probably a left coast crew. #250 will be there on display and/or sailed.
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It is my intention to defend my title! Let BJ know I will be carrying the packed cooler also.
Keith Ziegler
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Thanks to the generosity of Don Corey with a boat, it looks like CRW is solid on our calendar for 2013. Hoping for a great turnout and a bit of warm (dryer) weather than Seattle! Tickets booked...!!!
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Okay U20 sailors what's up? We got seven on the board and I'm not seeing some names that I thought would be there. Let's get to double digits and make it a show. I have some local guys I have sailed with for years that own a 30 and 33 foot sprit boat that might have an interest in chatering if there is a boat out there Contact me and let me know.
Keith
#173
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Has the deadline passed? I was planning on the NA's at SCYC but I see they have pulled the plug on that one.
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Billy,
I don't see a cut off date for registration on the site. We already have 10 in!
Keith
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What crew count / weight limit will be in effect for CRW?
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I would love to crew.
Bill Mendel
Fastlane 17
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What crew count / weight limit will be in effect for CRW?
Class Rules apply
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Emily informed us yesterday that orginization will be having a U20 class at Charleston Race Week. We are at 10 boats if anyone else wants to come join the fun.
Keith
#173
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What is everyone doing for slippage?
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I am in a well on A dock with 5 other boats from Bayview Yacht Club. We had one back out so I may have room for one more.
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Hey Keith
Any room for 145 Escape Velocity from Texas?
Tim
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As of now we have 2 u20's, 3 melgi 20, 1 melgi 24 and a tarten 10. We will have to see how the other original guys feel about rafting. Can't promise anything at this time. Leaving my cell so you may contact me if your still scrambling.
Keith #173
734-722-3636
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Thx Keith
When You guys getting in?
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Did somebody lose a mast? I see a lot of dnc in the results.
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Did somebody lose a mast? I see a lot of dnc in the results.
I saw Sailing Anarchy reported a Melges 20 and a U20 lost rigs.
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Yes Chris lost the mast on Don's boat before the regatta began. Can I say one thing. VANG!!!!!!!!!off when going down wind. Also Bob Hughes from the Heartbreaker on an M20.
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Would like to hear Chris' account? This was an aluminum rig correct? Not one of the early (i.e. better) ones either I presume. Everyone knows you have to take the vang off, but it is easy to space out if you sail in 12kts or less (in those conditions it is not great for the rig but it won't really hurt anything either). Did they think it was off all the way and find out it wasn't? Did they just space out?
Jay
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I sail with a lot of vang on it big breeze, I just don't ease the mainsheet and sail really deep.
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Yes Chris lost the mast on Don's boat before the regatta began. Can I say one thing. VANG!!!!!!!!!off when going down wind. Also Bob Hughes from the Heartbreaker on an M20.
Hey Keith
Good sailing against you this weekend. Great Job on Day 2. What happened to you guys the first day?
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I'm not saying Chris had the vang on and will hope to hear what happened from the horses mouth. In big breeze my wifes only job down wind is to baby sit the vang to go as hard as we can without wiping out.
My issue on the first day was cunningham shackle let go just after the start in race one, so we lost the jib halyard. Went back to the harbor where my monkey boy free climbed the mast to run a new tracer line. Just missed the start of race two and had my own physical issues where we were not able to finish race three.
To cap off the weekend when I was parked waiting for the boat to arrive to take it out a J70 trailer took off the front end of my Tahoe. Were at 2600$ so far. The fitting thing was driving through Tenn and Kentuckey with my duct taped front end.
Keith
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Hi Everyone ~
First off, congratulations to everyone who came and competed! It was tough that we had all the breakdowns, but still, nice work BJ and Emily - your turned in a great score card!! And a big thanks goes to Don Corey who went so far above just letting us use a his boat - nothing but a top-shelf, first class individual here as many of you already know.
Here is my recap of the event at CRW. Winds – they were certainly strong breezes and the slow filling puffs were passing through, building strongly about 20-30 yards in from the front edge. But they were not of the consistent strength that we have sailed in many times before. Rig – we had the heavy air settings from the tuning guide and had commented to each other that going to weather, the leeward uppers were a touch slack and dancing a little, and the lowers were taut (same on both tacks). Weight – 585lbs, all in mid cockpit area starting to move further back. We are on a port tack, running on a full plane and the puff hits. The water is relatively flat, since our circle was well protected by a barrier island. The main is out probably with the boom halfway between the lifeline and the shrouds (Brad Boston mentioned later that he would not let the boom out past the lifeline) – sheet in hand and the traveler down. I could feel the boat start to load up with a heel and a small bit of stall on the rudder, at the front edge of the puff so I called out I was heading down – anticipating that second puff in the puff. The vang was on but only snug and we had that control line in hand as well. When that second pressure hits, it went quick. I was still driving to a deeper run, no water over the bow, no wild round up and down she goes. Broke about 5.5 feet off the deck and quite a bit above the normal spot by the halyard exit that have been associated with vang related breaks(?). Someone made the reference that exposure to the repeated flexing over the years may have contributed to creating a weak spot.
This was shaping up to be a killer weekend - hope to come back next spring!!
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Wow! That doesn't instill confidence in the tin rig.
Keith, our boat (222) had the same shackle failure in a 15 knot breeze last fall. Replaced with a small snap shackle.
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Well, keep in mind that there were several Melges 20 carbon sticks that went about the same time and that the rest of the 200 or so boats in the harbor did just fine. You can see from the Ft. Sumter wind data, the puff that is most likely the culprit. I think we were just in the wrong place at the right time.
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Interesting turn of events. Thought I understood it happened at a turn down or jibe (which is when we take the vang off and then add the vang back once we are up to speed and can control the position of draft forward). It sounds like you were just rolling downwind full speed and got clobbered. In hindsight, I think we have run with the boom out too far several times in breeze and will keep Brad's advice in mind in the future.
Have a question for Tac - how hard do you have the vang on when you jibe in big breeze? We ease it until we are powered up again on the new jibe. I have always been told to take if off during the jibe to prevent overloading it when the main jibes over and loads up.
Another thought/question for big breeze:
I watched a youtube video with Blue Moon (top Melges 24 boat - Italian team maybe?) going in 30kt plus and they kept there jib up to blanket the chute a little bit. We have played with this technique in 18-20kts a couple times and it seemed to give us good speed but at those wind speeds virtually eliminated any white knuckle effect. I would imagine in 25kts it would still be white knuckle but maybe not quite as much so. Anybody else tried this technique? It obviously adds some tension on the forestay but that did not do anything weird to the mast that I saw.
Jay
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We will let it off of few inches in the turn down at the top mark, then never touch it again.
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Has anyone ever lost a rig reaching or it always on a run?
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The only other rigs that I have know to come down broke at the spreaders. This was due to abrasions at the spreader and mast. I do not know what point of sail they were on at that time. This was a long time ago.